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• Phil Payette

  

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  February 15, 2011 8:49:01 AM EST

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  I participated in a debate over on MyPara about these apps.  First there is Ghost Radar on iPhone. I've seen one of my friends use this. I think it's silly and bogus. Second, there is EMF Detector on Droid. I've seen another friend use this one. I must say it appears to work, but I would like to compare its results to a real EMF meter.

   

  Anyone else familiar with these? What do you think? How can these little apps rewire the components inside the phones to turn them into something they are not? I can't turn my toaster into a coffee maker.

  This post was edited by Phil Payette at February 15, 2011 8:49:01 AM EST

  
• Phil Payette

  

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  February 15, 2011 8:55:17 AM EST

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  The following picture is a newer and more user friendly version of the application that I witnessed, but its still basically the same.

  
• Wes Forsythe

  

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  February 15, 2011 8:55:53 AM EST

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  There was a debate?
  
  Even if something in the phone is capable of detecting a range of EM outside of the RF spectrum the phone uses, what good is it really?
  
  After spending hours debating the accuracy and value of lower end EM meters I can't believe these novelties would warrant more than a passing mention.
  
  That being said...I have one of the apps on my phone. Next time I find activity I am going to ask the spirits to manipulate it just for fun.
• Phil Payette

  

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  February 15, 2011 9:01:14 AM EST

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  Not much of a debate really, but I sorta kinda stood up for the Droid ap. I didn't want to completely throw it out until I got the chance to really test it. The Ghost Radar doesn't even warrant a test, its purely a novelty gimmick.
• Tamara Rollins

  

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  February 21, 2011 2:21:20 PM EST

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  There is also an ovilus like app on a phone that someone used at Bobby Mackeys. Not sure if these work or not.
• Tamara Rollins

  

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  February 21, 2011 2:26:08 PM EST

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  I think it is on the iphone. Someone used it at Bobby Mackeys and it appeared to work well. But I don't know the tech of these things.
• Wes Forsythe

  

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  February 21, 2011 3:04:05 PM EST

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  Tamara...keep in mind that when you are using a ghost/franks box or ovilus or any device that "translates" spirits into speech that there is NO tech involved to understand.
  
  These devices (as strange as it sounds) rely on the ghosts to be the ones that are "tech savy". You can't sit down with a ghost and a device you a buidling and say "what is the energy spike for 'dog'?"
  Since we know there was no way to design the device with actual knowledge of how a ghost WOULD use it...we have to accept that it is possible that a ghost COULD use it.
  
  Does that make sense?
• Rob ~ DEADPsalm

  

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  March 5, 2011 4:58:07 PM EST

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  An EMF meter is essentially a coil/antenna/sensor that intercepts a field and uses some fashion of display to indicate the strength of that field. Cell phones have these coils/antenna/sensors inside as part of their functional technology.
  
  I think it would be a mistake to completely discount these applications. Yes, the majority of them are intended only for fun and provide false results but a few seem to take their purpose seriously.
  
  Entity Sensor: http://www.krugism.com/
  
  I have found that Entity Sensor responds in a very similar manner as my TriField meter. Not to say that I am sensing paranormal activity rather they respond in a similar manner when subjected to known magnetic and electronic sources. Entity Sensor also includes a nice data-logging chart feature.
  
  Ghost Radar: http://www.spudpickles.com/GhostRadar
  
  Ghost Radar is a bit more interesting as it attempts to do something investigators now need to interpret from EMF readings. Their web site talks about this not being a EMF meter, rather it uses an algorithm to determine quantum flux. I believe they are being a bit generous with their description but the concept is intriguing. Based on the technology in the phone this is an EMF meter but it doesn't simply display EMF values. It attempts to detect peaks/changes in the ambient fields.
  
  As to the ability for these application to interpret words from the reading; I see no reason to believe something like an Ovilus or Frank's Box is any more reliable or accurate. In either case we are applying known technology to a paranormal energy we do not understand.
  
  An interesting side note, as I sat here typing this little review of the two applications, Ghost Radar just happened to say "research"..."two"...
  
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• Phil Payette

  

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  March 5, 2011 5:23:09 PM EST

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  The folks over on MyPara completely shot these apps down as being nothing but silly. I seriously don't think they even bothered to research them and just stated their own opinions.
  
  I did not know Ghost Radar had speech. One of my friends has it, but it didn't say anything. It looked just like a toy. The other app looked more credible (another friend of mine has that one).
• Rob ~ DEADPsalm

  

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  March 5, 2011 6:22:33 PM EST

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  There is something called Ghost Detector which looks very much like Ghost Radar. Ghost Detector is definitely a just-for-fun app. The one you have pictured above is an earlier version of Ghost Radar, the word "touch" at the bottom of the screen is a word that the newer version would speak. There is a pay version which is similar with a bit less of a toy-like feel to it.

   

  It is difficult to take any of these seriously with all the crap that is available. It is my opinion that we need to be careful what we discredit as being silly when we spend so much of our time collecting evidence by means that can EASILY be discredited.

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• Blane Willcut

  

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  March 14, 2011 8:58:54 AM EDT

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  I have to agree with Rob, here. While I HAVE used an Ovilus with interesting results, I also have to take into consideration the fact that it has the words "FOR NOVELTY USE ONLY" printed on the device as well as the manual. We have to remember that most equipment in the Paranormal Tool Box were designed for other purposes and we have simply found ways to use them that MIGHT help to give us answers to our questions.
  
  In defense of the folks at mypara.net, I can say that most of the folks over there are well seasoned and knowledgeable investigators with a real grasp of the pseudo-scientific side of investigations. I have learned quite a bit from them and lend a lot of credibility to thier input. Yes...they can be harsh at times but if one is willing to make a post then they should be equally willing to take what criticism comes from it. I have made a few posts there that were shot down and must say that after reading the answers and replies, they made perfect sense for the most part.
• Rob ~ DEADPsalm

  

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  April 8, 2011 8:14:53 AM EDT

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  Don't always look for the "obvious" app intended for paranormal. There are many apps out there that utilize the sensors in cell phones. One in particular is called Ulysse Gizmo; it includes a magnetometer which can help isolate the source of magnetic fields.

   http://binarytoys.blogspot.com/2010/06/ulysse-gizmos-release-10.html

  If you happen to be a fan of Star Trek, look for something called Tricorder.

  https://market.android.com/details?id=org.hermit.tricorder

   

  This post was edited by Rob ~ DEADPsalm at April 8, 2011 8:14:53 AM EDT
• Phil Payette

  

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  April 9, 2011 6:57:48 AM EDT

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  ok, that tricorder thing may be just for fun, but as a big time Trekkie, thats an app I would certainly get!
  
  Now if only our cellphones could pick up subspace signals, lol